New to Zeovit and KZ in general.

[Grissom92]

Hello all.
I'm new to Zeovit and KZ in general.
Used to be in the hobby a while back. But left due to life circumstances and a horrible relationship.
I've used KZ amino acid in the past. But that was it.

I have had my tank running since July.
Just bought a JZR-1 Zeovit reactor and starter kit.
Wanted to get a quick rundown on what I need to focus on.
Do's and Don't along with what other products I should use next.

Was running a Cheato Reactor but have decided I don't like it/it's not doing anything but dying.

Tank is about 55-60 gallons.
Just running a filter roller, carbon and skimmer for the time being.
Any pointers and advice is much appreciated.

[G.Alexander]

Hello Grissom and welcome to ZeoVit.com !

To give you a startup recommendation please post some more details about your system. Those information would be important as a later reference also:

https://forum.zeovit.com/forum/gener...bout-your-tank

G.Alexander

[Grissom92]

Hello Grissom and welcome to ZeoVit.com !

To give you a startup recommendation please post some more details about your system. Those information would be important as a later reference also:

https://forum.zeovit.com/forum/gener...bout-your-tank

G.Alexander

Thought I did this when I created the account... But I guess that isn't what that was for...

1. Gross water volume of your complete system (incl. sump etc.) - US gallons 55-60
2. Net water volume (incl. sump etc.) - US gallons, same
3. Are you using a CaCO2 reactor or other technique, No
4. Are you using a PO4 reactor (how long, how long ago, etc.), No
5. Are you using Ozone, No
6. Are you using UV, No
7. What skimmer are you using (type, rated water volume) Bubble Magus ZF6 Rated for heavy stocked 40 gallon
8. What are your actual PO4 and NO3 levels PO4 0.11 NO3 0.0
9. What are your actual Ca, Alk and Mg levels, Not 100% sure, but should be around normal levels from last weeks test. Alk is 8.1 as of last night.
10. What filtration method do you use (refugium, DSB, Miracle Mud, etc.) Skimmer, Biological Media, Filter roller and Carbon
11. Type of light (Watt, color temp, how old, etc.) XR15 Blue Gen 6 at 80%
12. What corals do you keep, Acro, Monti, Torch's and Acans
13. Tissue color (light or dark) Acro's are dark due to wife running air freshners, No longer an issue
14. How long has the tank been running, Since July of this year.
15. Why do you want to use the ZEOvit system, Was going to run a Refugium but it wasn't really working out... and just decided to can it and run Zeovit
16. Any supplemental dosing (type, amount, why, etc.) Dosing Tropic Marin All for Reef @ 5ml/day
17. Live rock (how much, how old, etc.) about 30 pounds and was cured in June
18. Any present problems, Small Hair Algae
19. Problem description (tissue loss tips, tissue loss base, diatom bloom, algae, etc.) Non
20. What test kit do you use (how old, recently switched, etc.) Use Red Sea for Ammonia and Nitrite, AF for Cal and Mag, Hannah Checkers for Nitrates, Phosphate and Alk
21. Present dosing, amounts and intervals (ZEOvit, ZEObak, ZEOfood, ZEOstart, ZEOspur2, etc.) Non
22. Other water parameters and water stability (salinity, temp, etc.) Salinity is 1.026, Temp is 77.5-78.0 F
23. Which salt brand do you use Tropic Marin Reef Pro

[G.Alexander]

Thank you for the additional details, I would recommend you to start as follows:

First start with the basics products to decrease nutrients:

1. Place 0.4 liter zeovit in a Zeo Reactor. Water flow around 45 US gallons per hour. Connect the reactor pump to a clock timer and run the reactor pump with a 3 hour on / 3 hour off / 3 hour on interval. Please make sure the zeolite is not exposed to air while the pump is switched off. Clean the material daily. Leave the zeolite 4 weeks in the filter until you do the first change out. This is the first changing interval, others could be lengthen to 6 – 8 weeks.

2. Place 0.15 liters activated carbon in a filter sock and keep it in a passive water flow in your sump, changed every 30 days. Knead the carbon daily to keep the surface clean. Most users get perfect results with korallenzucht carbon.

3. Dose 2 drops ZeoBac daily for the first 2 weeks, flowed by a 2 x weekly dosage of 2 drops. Dose 0.17 ml ZeoStart 2 x daily (morning & evening). Dose those in front of the Zeo reactor pump while it is switched on.

Later on you could use the additional products for coral coloration. Adjust your skimmer to skim wet, keeping it clean to export as much as possible. Do a weekly water change of 5 – 10 % with a good salt.

Basic water parameters looking good, try to keep them as solid as possible close the NSW in the following ranges:

KH 6.5 – 7.5
Ca 400 – 420 mg
Mg 1250 – 1300 mg
K+ ~ 380 mg

For a nutrient poor environment K+ (potassium) seems to be a important element. I would recommend you to get a test kit for this element also, posting your results.

When you start the system skip using the Tropic Marin Product as it does contain additional trace elements. Instead use plain supplements for Ca and KH and if necessary for Mg which does not contain additional trace elements. Those elements will just darken the corals tissue once the system is running nutrient poor.

Not sure about the biological filtration material you use but you might be able to remove it later slowly step by step when the system is running well.

This is a start-up dosage which might have to be adjusted later.

G.Alexander

[Grissom92]

Biological is brick of Brightwells and a bag full of cubes that was used in the Cheato Reactor.

Do I need to keep the pump on a timer indefinitely or is this just for the initial first few weeks?
And what is the methodology behind it?

Edit My JZR-1 reactor will be here today so I will be able to start this all tonight

[Bugger]

Hi Grissom92 welcome to Zeovit

You need a bunch of hermit crabs to get rid of the hair algae. Scarlet or just dwarf blue leg will do. Don't underestimate your clean up crew.

[Grissom92]

Hi Grissom92 welcome to Zeovit

You need a bunch of hermit crabs to get rid of the hair algae. Scarlet or just dwarf blue leg will do. Don't underestimate your clean up crew.

I am picking up a couple red leg hermits tomorrow...
The cause of the hair algae. Was my Cheato Reactor failing. And not catching that the light stopped working until after the Chaeto died and released everything into my tank....
it's 20x better than a week ago.
It's what I get for trying to do things differently than I have in the past. Then again... I'm now going to try Zeovit when I've never done it before.

[Grissom92]

[QUOTE=G.Alexander;n604607][SIZE=14px][FONT=Arial]When you start the system skip using the Tropic Marin Product as it does contain additional trace elements. Instead use plain supplements for Ca and KH and if necessary for Mg which does not contain additional trace elements. Those elements will just darken the corals tissue once the system is running nutrient poor.

So just wanted to touch on this.
I Have Quantum Alk, Mag and Calcium additives.

But how soon should I cut A4R out?
My Alk is dropping around .3 points per day with out it.

What products other than K+ are good alternatives?

And do I need to start dosing Zeofood now? Or in a week or so?

[Grissom92]

More importantly.
What exactly is the reason for All for Reef causing dark tissue coloration in a low nutrient environment?

[G.Alexander]

The interval for the reactor pump should be used for the first 6 weeks, so about 2 weeks after the first ZeoVit exchange you can switch to continuous flow if corals are doing fine. This will speed down the processes / changes which will give your corals more time to adopt.

The nutrient poorer a system is running the less “elements” are necessary to darken the corals tissue. The lighter the tissue is the more it can be seen. Trace elements are also necessary in a nutrient poor system but just in lower concentrations than usual so it would be ideal to keep the close to natural seawater. I have never used the TM product but from the product description I would expect that this will happen. Using “plain” supplements without additional trace elements is what I would recommend you.

G.Alexander

[jacky]

The ZeoVit system is a bacterial system to reduce nutrients, it takes time for the bacteria to grow, if you remove the old filter at one time, this affects the biological changes, follow the time/interval as suggested, it is good to gradually reduce it step by step, once the system Solid nutrients are poor. Elemental boosters should not contain trace elements, you should rush to get pure supplements to keep the base water stable, not only does it darken the coral tissue, it can also cause certain algal blooms. Zeo Food7 put us on hold for now, we can add it later

[Grissom92]

So buy a couple more dosers, containers and just use straight base elements. And use something like the auto K tablets from KZ?

Is there anything else I should order now?

I know the dosers aren't necessary right now. I'm just being a spoiled brat.

[jacky]

Carrying out the program as described in # 4 requires an accurate device to titrate the solution (ZeoVit official website, there are individual elemental boosters) I would recommend this. Or higher purity chemical products. Products should not contain other trace elements.

[Grissom92]

Ok. Ordering direct from KZ isn't really an option.
I'm in North America and only have BRS to order stuff from as far as KZ products.
And they don't carry the full KZ line.
so I'll just order tropic Marin or BRS branded pharmaceutical grade KH, mag and Calcium.

This was quite the can of worms I opened...
And what I get for jumping in head first.

[G.Alexander]

Sounds good the TM or BRS supplements would be fine also if they do not contain additional trace elements.

G.Alexander