Zeovit System / Triton Hybrid

[Mhart032]

Hey all, im wanting to start using the Zeovit system in conjunction with the Triton system im running now, First question is, is it possible? I honestly dont notice anything different b/t Triton and 2 part in my system. I have the 1000ml triton bottles and would like to continue using them to buffer the big 3 elements. If this a possibility? I already run the KZ coral system bottles 1-4, could i use the rest of the system and use the triton in this manor?

Thanks
Matt

[Mhart032]

1. Gross water volume of your complete system (incl. sump etc.) - US gallons / UK gallons / liter
115 gallons
2. Net water volume (incl. sump etc.) - US gallons / UK gallons / liter
35 gallons
3. Are you using a CaCO2 reactor or other technique
No
4. Are you using a PO4 reactor (how long, how long ago, etc.)
Yes but not currently active
5. Are you using Ozone
No
6. Are you using UV
No
7. What skimmer are you using (type, rated water volume)
ATB 840 2.0
8. What are your actual PO4 and NO3 levels
P04 .09 Stable / N03 .03-.05 ( have to dose nitrates)
9. What are your actual Ca, Alk and Mg levels
See screenshot of Apex below
10. What filtration method do you use (refugium, DSB, Miracle Mud, etc.)
Chaeto in fuge w/ LR
11. Type of light (Watt, color temp, how old, etc.)
Radion G5 blue Radiant Color Mode
12. What corals do you keep
SPS and some LPS
13. Tissue color (light or dark)
Dark (colors are a factor of switching, browning out, some STN)
14. How long has the tank been running
9 months
15. Why do you want to use the ZEOvit system
A stable experience that’s ULM, better coral keeping and guidance
16. Any supplemental dosing (type, amount, why, etc.)
KZ coral system 1,2,3,4,. Nitrates ( because they are to low). Triton Core 7, Triton trace elements after ICP test
17. Live rock (how much, how old, etc.)
9 months old, New rock with new build ( seeded with 20lbs in fuge during startup
18. Any present problems
Browning corals, polyp extension and stn issues
19. Problem description (tissue loss tips, tissue loss base, diatom bloom, algae, etc.)
STN tips and sometimes base to entire mini colonies full RTN
20. What test kit do you use (how old, recently switched, etc.)
Hanna test kits and Hach DR900, Elos Nitrat, Trident and Alkatronic
21. Present dosing, amounts and intervals (ZEOvit, ZEObak, ZEOfood, ZEOstart, ZEOspur2, etc.)
KZ coral system 1,2,3,4 10ml once a week

22. Other water parameters and water stability (salinity, temp, etc.)
See picture below
23. Which salt brand do you use
Tropic Marin Pro reef

I want to start the program; this is what I currently have for startup. I have been struggling with Triton and tired of not seeing results after a few months, stunted growth, and RTN/STN on sps corals, I have been in reefing for 15+ years and have good and bad experiences, but nothing rock solid and stable thats ULM. I want to enjoy my tank more.

ZEOstart 250ML
Coral Booster 250ML
Coral Snow 250ML
Flatworm 250ML
ZEOBak 10ML
ZEOfood Plus 100ML
KZ System 1,2,3,4. 250ML
Skimz Auto reactor
Zeolite

[broadwave]

I believe as long as you are using the "Triton for other methods", you should be ok as that version just focuses on just Ca, dKH, MG and trace elements. The original Triton, to my knowledge, has additional elements in it that are for growing a refugium (algae) and would not be ideal to use with Zeovit. Just be sure to keep you parameters (Triton Dosing) in line with Zeovit recommended parameters Ca=420, dKH=7 and Mg=1275

I know I've seen other posts about this in the past on other Reef boards with success using that combination. Not sure if anyone here on zeovit.com has tried that combination.

[broadwave]

On a side note, I've seen Triton users, when converting to Zeovit, use the Bulk Reef Supply pharmaceutical grade Ca, dKH and Mg with great success. just my 2 cents.

[G.Alexander]

Hello Matt and welcome to ZeoVit.com !

I do also see it broadwave, as long as you just use the Ca, Mg and KH component without additional elements you should be fine, alternatively many use pharmaceutical grade chemicals offered.

If you like to give the system a try I would recommend to start as follows:

1. Place 1 liter zeovit in a Zeo Reactor. Water flow around 100 US gallons per hour. Connect the reactor pump to a clock timer and run the reactor pump with a 3 hour on / 3 hour off / 3 hour on interval. Please make sure the zeolite is not exposed to air while the pump is switched off. Clean the material daily. Leave the zeolite 4 weeks in the filter until you do the first change out. This is the first changing interval, others could be lengthen to 6 – 8 weeks.

2. Place 0.4 liters activated carbon in a filter sock and keep it in a passive water flow in your sump, changed every 30 days. Knead the carbon daily to keep the surface clean. Most users get perfect results with korallenzucht carbon.

3. Dose 1 drop ZeoBac daily for the first 2 weeks, flowed by a 2 – 3 x weekly dosage of 1 drop. Dose 0.4 ml ZeoStart 2 x daily (morning & evening). Dose those in front of the Zeo reactor pump while it is switched on.

Later on you could use the additional products for coral coloration. Adjust your skimmer to skim wet, keeping it clean to export as much as possible. Do a weekly water change of 5 – 10 % with a good salt.

With the system it is not recommended to use a PO4 absorber. If you still use it, I would recommend to remove 1/3 of the absorber if you start with zeovit, than reduce the rest over the next 6 – 8 weeks step by step to zero. If this is done keep a eye on the PO4 level which should not increase.

If you start with the ZeoVit system stop using the other products except Ca, KH and Mg supplement and reduce the addition of the coral system to 2 x weekly using the quantity per dosage recommended on the bottles label.

Basic water parameters looking good, try to keep them as stabile as possible close the NSW in the following ranges:

KH 6.5 – 7.5
Ca 400 – 420 mg
Mg 1250 – 1300 mg
K+ ~ 380 mg

For a nutrient poor environment K+ (potassium) seems to be a important element. I would recommend you to get a test kit for this element also, posting your results.

This is a start-up dosage which might have to be adjusted later.

G.Alexander

[Mhart032]

Thanks for the replys guys, I still have some 2 part left from before, I used Mecoral 2 part on the dos and dosed mag as needed. I switch everything over when i start. I appreciate the help with starting i will following the directions above and get everything setup and make the switch this weekend. Ill definitely post my progress.

[jacky]

The type of lamp, Radion G5 blue radiation color mode, looks great. Since I have no experience with LEDs, I ca n’t say anything. But balanced lighting seems to bring better benefits to this process, for your reference

[Mhart032]

The type of lamp, Radion G5 blue radiation color mode, looks great. Since I have no experience with LEDs, I ca n’t say anything. But balanced lighting seems to bring better benefits to this process, for your reference

Im running 3 of the G5 XR15s the coverage and par are fantastic all the way to the bottom.

[Mhart032]

All I started my zeovit system roughly 9 days ago, I've only been doing the zeostart and zeoback, I've had my skimz reactor on my Apex timed for 180 mins on and 180 mins off. I dose the products as directed into the pump with the reactor turned on. I've noticed some of the zeolites turning browish copperish color on sections I don't know if the reactor has time to flush on the current setup flushing 2 times a day on normal. Any ideas?

[jacky]

I have observed that the zeolite material in my system is slightly brownish in appearance compared to its new zeolite material. This should be normal.

The system conversion is carried out in the mode of 3hr (180 minutes) on and off. Due to the coral TN, I think 1. Keep the reactor in 3hr operation mode. 2. System conversion, let the bacteria work 3. Let the coral buffer and system work 4. Reducing nutrition and providing food are not currently important tasks

[G.Alexander]

No worry, this is normal and does not cause issues.

G.Alexander

[Mhart032]

I have a couple more questions, I eliminated the Triton system yesterday and went back tot he Mecoral/ Randy Holmes 2 part method on an auto doser. Its almost time to change out my media on the KZ skims reactor, when i do, do i need to add more of the KZ start products to seed the new media? Also when should i start dosing other components that i have for the KZ system?

here are my current parameters
NO3 .8
P04 .03

[G.Alexander]

Keep about 10% of the old material in the reactor and add about 90% fresh material for each exchange. Also dose ZeoBac daily for 10 days after each ZeoVit exchange, than continue with 2 x weekly until the next exchange. No additional changes are necessary, keep dosing the other products you use as usual.

If corals start to get lighter tissue because of the reduced nutrients it might make sense to start dosing additional products. Are there any other korallenzucht products you already have and do the corals already started to get lighter tissue ?

G.Alexander

[Mhart032]

Ok, im currently not dosing anything but the Starter bacteria supplements, I am seeing some RTN on some of the corals, but i know thats going to be part of the switch and things getting used to a new system, so that doesnt worry me at all. i have noticed bright color changes, more pastel in colors of some of the corals and LPS are blown up in size.

here is my list of KZ additives

ZEOstart 250ML
Coral Booster 250ML
Coral Snow 250ML
Flatworm 250ML
ZEOBak 10ML
ZEOfood Plus 100ML
KZ System 1,2,3,4. 250ML

[G.Alexander]

TN is often caused by stress for the corals but it should not happen also not while the transfer. Can you please check the K+ level of your system and amesure the flow through your ZeoVit reactor.

G.Alexander