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    Hello...

    I have a 90 gallon tank with a 30 gallon sump. My tank is somewhat new but was transplanted from a previous tank.

    I've got an acro and two nana's that are browning and I'm trying to fix it.

    I've got a 7 gallon fuge, an ASM G3 skimmer and about 3600 gallons per hour of flow. 600 gallons per hour is tank turnover and 3000 gallons per hour is provided by a pair of M1500 SEIO's. I have a Korallin C1502 calcium reactor hooked up and I top off with kalk RO/DI. Lighting is a pair of HQI Phoenix 14k's at 250 watts as well as a pair of 110 watt VHO super actinics.

    My fish load is a little high. I've got three smaller tangs, 4 chromis, two clowns, a goby and a royal gramma. I will add a mandarin in the distant future, after I get a good pod population.

    The tank temp stays between 81.5 and 82.6. PH swings from 7.8 to 8.0 between day and night.

    Now that all that is out of the way (still awake?) I'm thinking some of my SPS are browning due to nutrients. Phosphates read 0 and nitrates read 0 three weeks ago (I'm out of test kits).

    Am I thinking correctly? Would zeo benefit me?

  • #2
    Zeovit is the best thing I have ever done for my sps, I am sure if used correctly it will have similar effects for you. I would get some new test kits and you should talk to bob, aged salt.

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    • #3
      Thanks bogg. How long after you started zeo before you noticed a difference?

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      • #4
        Once I started ZEO I noticed results within a month. My tank had been set up for a little more than a year. The first thing I noticed was the lack in algae growth on the glass. Soon to follow that were the nutirent levels in the aquarium. As Bogg mentioned ZEOvit is by far the best thing I have ever done for my system. You will however need to discontinue the use of kalkwasser. And get some new test kits.
        If not already doing it you wil need to do a weekly water change, run carbon passively in your sump replaced once every 30 days.
        Dustin

        "Water is the driving force of all nature"
        Leonardo da Vinci

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        • #5
          Why can you not drip kalk with zeo? Do they interact or something?

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          • #6
            I don't think the issue has anything to do with compatibility of the additives. It's more because of the interaction of the PO4 and limewater in general.

            This explains what might be happening to the PO4 when using limewater...
            http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-01/rhf/index.htm#15

            HTH... SteveU
            “People are very open-minded about new things - as long as they're exactly like the old ones.”
            ...Charles F. Kettering

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            • #7
              Greetings All !

              Before I write anything else ... welcome to zeovit.com ! ... it's great to see you posting here!



              Now that all that is out of the way (still awake?) ...
              No, no , no ... your information is most excellent and necessary. Sounds like a sweet system, BTW ...

              I've got a 7 gallon fuge, an ASM G3 skimmer and about 3600 gallons per hour of flow. 600 gallons per hour is tank turnover and 3000 gallons per hour is provided by a pair of M1500 SEIO's. ...
              I take it that you're thinking excess nutrients is one of the reasons for the "browning out", yes?

              From a system perspective, I see no worries. A 4.7X per hour system turnover ... while a little low for my own personal tastes ... in combination with the 3000 GPH from the SEIOs, and the G3 (... clearly beneficial "excess" skimming, IMO ...) should provide more than adequate water movement and particulate waste suspension. The only "tweaking" suggestion that I might make is to adjust the G3 for "wetter" skimmate to get slightly better particulate and DOC removal ... if you haven't done that already.

              What are you using the 7G fuge for?

              I've got an acro and two nana's that are browning and I'm trying to fix it.
              How long has the system been in operation? When were the acro and the nanas introduced into the system? What other SPS specimens are in the system? Is any coloration shift taking place with them?

              If we're talking about established/well-acclimated specimens, then there could definitely be an excess nutrient issue at play. If they're recently introduced, then the shift you're observing could be part of their "normal" ... albeit "irritating" ... adaptation process to your system.

              Why can you not drip kalk with zeo?
              The link SteveU provided is excellent, IMO.

              Maintaining chemical equilibria can be "pesky" indeed ...

              Basically ... others please jump in if I fumble this ... the dripping of limewater can generate precipitates which contain phosphate. Because these precipitates can release phosphate back into solution in response to pH shifts (as well as to other chemical variable shifts), they essentially act as a "phosphate reservoir." While the specific mechanisms and chemical pathways remain undefined, the general concensus is that the "mulm" generated by a ZeoReactor contains "bound"/adhered" phosphate. As the mulm is directly exported through skimming, so too is the phosphate. The presence of a limewater-generated "phosphate reservoir" significantly reduces the ability of the ZEOvit system to generate and maintain a low/zero phosphate environment. Many ZEOvit system users preform calcium addition and supplementation through the use of calcium reactors, as well as the various calcium chloride solution products commonly available.

              Would zeo benefit me?
              Remembering that I am a self-proclaimed "Zeo Heretic" ... ...

              It depends ... it seems to me that the ZEOvit System is a systemic approach to reefkeeping and SPS culturing. I question whether or not altering your system and reefkeeping approach by the use of the ZEOvit methodology in an effort to deal with the "browning" of three isolated specimens is really all that good of a choice ... after all, there's more than one way to skin a Montipora.

              If, however, you've experimented with Berlin-sytle reefkeeping & SPS culturing and are still feeling like you need/want something "more" ... and you're willing to believe that hundreds of experienced reefkeepers and SPS propagators are not hallucinating when they describe cost effectiveness with less maintenance time, "crystal" water clarity, increased SPS growth rates, and surprising coloration/pigmentation ... welll ... hehe ... Welcome to Zeoville!

              JMO ... HTH
              "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
              Hunter S. Thompson

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              • #8
                Originally posted by mesocosm
                Greetings All !


                If, however, you've experimented with Berlin-sytle reefkeeping & SPS culturing and are still feeling like you need/want something "more" ... and you're willing to believe that hundreds of experienced reefkeepers and SPS propagators are not hallucinating when they describe cost effectiveness with less maintenance time, "crystal" water clarity, increased SPS growth rates, and surprising coloration/pigmentation ... welll ... hehe ... Welcome to Zeoville!

                JMO ... HTH
                I'm on my medication Bob
                "There might be something to this ZEOvit"

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                • #9
                  Sorry I missed your posts! I thought I had email notification turned on...

                  My tank was born at the end of January. I had 60 or so pounds of rock cooking for 6 months prior to starting this tank. I also had 40 pounds in an established 29 gallon tank. Water and rock from 29 joined the 90 and then new water was obviously added along with the rock. Another 30 pounds of rock came from a 4 year old reef to finish my rockwork. After adding my corals from my 29 and everything doing great I started with a simple green monti. It is doing great and has sprouted about 8 new staulks in the following months. I found an outlet for almost endless frags from reefcrazed, who was TOTM in July on RC. His system is a 525 SPS reef. After giving him too much money, more than my wife will ever know! I now have a bunch of frags.

                  What worries me about my system is that the a. nana I have was totally brown, then turned a brilliant green within 5 weeks and is now starting to brown again. The encrusted base and polyps are still turqoise green but the main body is browning. The acro I have that is browning is very new. I've had it maybe 3 or 4 weeks.

                  I understand the tank is still new as well as the SPS corals that are now with me, could that be the reason as already said?

                  Here is a pic of the tank:

                  <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/thrlride/Salt%20tank/DSCF2248.jpg">

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                  • #10
                    Here is a pic of the a. nana that was totally brown, then turqoise green then turning brown again.

                    As you can see in the pic below the body is browning slightly, it is much more brown now.

                    <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/thrlride/Salt%20tank/DSCF2126.jpg">

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                    • #11
                      Fairly color accurate shot of the nana.

                      <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/thrlride/Salt%20tank/DSCF2129.jpg">

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                      • #12
                        Here is what it looked like shortly after I got it:

                        <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/thrlride/Salt%20tank/DSCF2014.jpg">

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                        • #13
                          The coral to the extreme right of the last picture was green with purple tips, now it is totally brown with purple tips.



                          I'll stop now.

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                          • #14
                            You could be overdosing, that was happening to me I was all worried that I was not adding enough zeo product. It actually was too much, I stopped dosing for several days and everything came back.

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                            • #15
                              Actually, I haven't started any zeo yet. I'm not sure if it is nutrients or whatever.

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