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    Hey guys, well there are some things that i am unhappy with my current 180 setup.

    mainly my cusion scratched the glass pretty bad, (my fault since i left the magnet at his reach)

    anyway i am taking the oppurtunity to upgrade!

    the tank is going to be 60" long by 48" deep by 24" high. it comes out to just barely under 300 gallons like 299 or something.

    anyway i am deciding between James at Envision Acrylics and a local company that has made many tanks IPI.

    i am trying to get a picture of the tank, i PMd Edward to see if he coudl draw a pic or if anyone else coudl that would help alot.

    i need to figure all this out in the next month.

    anyway i am planning on using black acrylic for the back and having 2 overflows each with a 2" drain and a 1.5" return, so a total of 2 2" drains and 2 1.5" returns.

    the main flow will be coming from closed loops (no powerheads in the tank at all)

    i have decided to use the sequence reef flow dart. i am planning on 3 of them, 1 for the return pump, then 2 for closed loops.

    NOW the tricky part is trying to get the spots for the closed loop holes.

    so far Madison gave me the idea of using 2 intakes for the closed loop to lessen the suction that the pumps cause.

    i am going to use Steve Weast's idea and make PVC platforms and have the closed loop outputs come through them and then use loc-line and make probably 4-5 different "jets" so to speak. just like he did. so a total of 8-10 jets each with about 875-700 gph coming from each jet. plus the returns which will each yeild about 1700 gph coming from each output.

    so a total of about 10500 gph for a total gph. no thats about 35x tank turn over.

    do you think thats enough? i thought so. i guess i could add another closed loop, but wont that just be a waste?

    anyway let me know and if some can draw a pic and post it that would be great!

    it will be made with 1/2" acrylic and have euro-bracing. i am trying to get 4 openings on the top, i will be using my current 4 reef optic IIIs and also add 4 48" VHOs to light the areas that are not light by the MHs.

    i think VHOs can go over the cross bracing right? i know MHs cant.

    anyway i am going to be going with a 2 island look with SPS all the way around. the islands will be digonal from eachother. and then i will probably go with a small small island in the front and put a cap on it and the same in the back, still havent decided.

    anyway let me know what you think,

    ALSO what do you think as far as the sump goes? what demensions would be good to use? i am going to be using a BK 300 internal for this tank.

    let me know and hopefully i can get a pic up soon.

    again if anyone can help let me know!

    thanks again!

    Nick
    275 Gallon Envision Acrylics Tank, 70 gallon sump, BK 300 internal, Zeovit, 5 sequence darts (1 on a oceansmotions 4-way), medusa dual controller, 2 ebo jaer 250w heaters, 1/2 hp JBJ comercial chiller, 4 RO IIIs w/14k hamilitons, 4 VHOs super actinic, deltec pf500 Ca Rx, 3 reef ceramic pillar, and 1 reef ceramic mini-reef, 5 ceramic closed loop intake screen covers, with 50ish pounds of LR

  • #2
    forgot to say this tank will be BB using starboard and off white color.

    anyway let me know what you think.

    thanks!

    Nick
    275 Gallon Envision Acrylics Tank, 70 gallon sump, BK 300 internal, Zeovit, 5 sequence darts (1 on a oceansmotions 4-way), medusa dual controller, 2 ebo jaer 250w heaters, 1/2 hp JBJ comercial chiller, 4 RO IIIs w/14k hamilitons, 4 VHOs super actinic, deltec pf500 Ca Rx, 3 reef ceramic pillar, and 1 reef ceramic mini-reef, 5 ceramic closed loop intake screen covers, with 50ish pounds of LR

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    • #3
      i thought it over last night and am going to go with

      4 1 1/2" bulkheads on the bottom for the intakes of the closed loops, and then i will go with 2 1 1/2" bulkheads for the discharge from the pumps. i will build a platform out of each of the discharge bulkheads and then out of the platform 5 jets will come out of the platform and i will use locline to position those jets.

      so i will have a total of 6 1 1/2" bukheads drill in the bottom.

      Now last night i was thinking i coudl also use a anothe reef flow dart pump on the back glass. just make 2 1 1/2" intakes and like 3-4 discharge 1 1/2" bulkheads, so a total of 3 closed loops pump plus the return, now that will be some major flow.

      what do you think?

      thanks!

      Nick
      275 Gallon Envision Acrylics Tank, 70 gallon sump, BK 300 internal, Zeovit, 5 sequence darts (1 on a oceansmotions 4-way), medusa dual controller, 2 ebo jaer 250w heaters, 1/2 hp JBJ comercial chiller, 4 RO IIIs w/14k hamilitons, 4 VHOs super actinic, deltec pf500 Ca Rx, 3 reef ceramic pillar, and 1 reef ceramic mini-reef, 5 ceramic closed loop intake screen covers, with 50ish pounds of LR

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      • #4
        make some pictures so we have a better idea.
        10x3x2 FOWLR (for now)
        BK400ext
        RD12 return, 2 RD12 closed loop, wavebox with extension
        MRC kalkmixer
        IKS

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        • #5
          alright hopefull Edward can draw me a pic.

          thansk!

          Nick
          275 Gallon Envision Acrylics Tank, 70 gallon sump, BK 300 internal, Zeovit, 5 sequence darts (1 on a oceansmotions 4-way), medusa dual controller, 2 ebo jaer 250w heaters, 1/2 hp JBJ comercial chiller, 4 RO IIIs w/14k hamilitons, 4 VHOs super actinic, deltec pf500 Ca Rx, 3 reef ceramic pillar, and 1 reef ceramic mini-reef, 5 ceramic closed loop intake screen covers, with 50ish pounds of LR

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          • #6
            Ok.. the check is in the mail.

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            • #7
              I'm sort of confused. Are there going to be overflow boxes? I assume maybe two corner boxes with a 2" drain and 1.5" return in each eh?

              I would do something with the closed loop that "swept" the back of the tank. It's IME the "typical" detritus control problem area.

              Also consider extra thick, but narrower front brace to make cleaning the front pane easier. 5/8" or 3/4" acrylic as well--this is a big tank--granted that really ups the cost. Even better, since it looks like you are setting it up for 4 lights, one in each "quadrant", just use a beefy cross brace system and skip front bracing and side bracing on the viewing panels for better cleaning access.
              10x3x2 FOWLR (for now)
              BK400ext
              RD12 return, 2 RD12 closed loop, wavebox with extension
              MRC kalkmixer
              IKS

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              • #8
                THANKS Edward that really helped out!

                ok now there will be 2 overflow boxes like you said moonpod. one in each corner with 2" drain and a 1 1/5" return.

                NOW the closed loop on the back glass there will be 2 more holes added to the back glass, these will be outputs also, there will be a total of 3 closed loop pumps, all the sequence reef flow pumps.

                there will be one on the back glass that will have 2 drains and then 3 outputs. these outputs will be dirrected all over the tank.

                THEN on the bottom of the tank there will be 4 drains that are 1 1/2" 2 for each closed loop pump, then there will be 2 1 1/2" returns that will be made into a PVC platform (like steve weast) and have 5 jets coming out of each platform.

                so there will be a total of 13 jets throughout the tank.

                There will be 2 islands in the tank and each island will hide the platform and the jets.

                does that makes sense? then i will have the 2 returns from the sump to dirrect throughtout the tank too, the main return pump is also a sequence reef flow dart.

                there will be a total of 6 1 1/2" holes on the bottom and then a total of 5 1 1/2" holes drilled in the back of the tank.

                what do you think? any suggestions?

                I do not want this tank to bow AT ALL.

                so i am not sure how to do it yet w/ the cross bracing and so forth, i am waiting for James from Envision Acrylics to get back to me.

                i just want to make sure i can use my 4 pendants and 4 48" VHOs to help light the tank.

                anyway let me know and maybe i can convince Edward to put those extra holes in there for me if its not to much of a hassle.

                i will have 2 rock island that are diagonal of eachother one in there front left and one in the back right.

                the input for the closed loops will be 2 1 1/2" bulkheads in the front right hide by a small peice of rock and then 2 1 1/2" bulkheads in the back left corner also hide by a small amount of LR.

                anyway if you get bored and could add those Edward that would be great!

                thanks again!

                Nick
                275 Gallon Envision Acrylics Tank, 70 gallon sump, BK 300 internal, Zeovit, 5 sequence darts (1 on a oceansmotions 4-way), medusa dual controller, 2 ebo jaer 250w heaters, 1/2 hp JBJ comercial chiller, 4 RO IIIs w/14k hamilitons, 4 VHOs super actinic, deltec pf500 Ca Rx, 3 reef ceramic pillar, and 1 reef ceramic mini-reef, 5 ceramic closed loop intake screen covers, with 50ish pounds of LR

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by nbd13
                  THANKS Edward that really helped out!


                  there will be a total of 6 1 1/2" holes on the bottom and then a total of 5 1 1/2" holes drilled in the back of the tank.
                  Nick
                  Are you including the overflow holes in the 6 total holes on the bottom? Im getting confused with all the holes now.

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                  • #10
                    Nope the overflows are seperate.

                    i was not including them with that quote above.

                    there will be 6 1 1/2" holes in the bottom for the 2 closed loop on the bottom and then 5 1 1/2" holes in the back for another closed loop on the back glass.

                    i am getting confused also! haha.

                    Nick
                    275 Gallon Envision Acrylics Tank, 70 gallon sump, BK 300 internal, Zeovit, 5 sequence darts (1 on a oceansmotions 4-way), medusa dual controller, 2 ebo jaer 250w heaters, 1/2 hp JBJ comercial chiller, 4 RO IIIs w/14k hamilitons, 4 VHOs super actinic, deltec pf500 Ca Rx, 3 reef ceramic pillar, and 1 reef ceramic mini-reef, 5 ceramic closed loop intake screen covers, with 50ish pounds of LR

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                    • #11
                      Pic Updated above. I wasnt sure where to place the holes and you said you will be doing 2 islands... so thats where I put them for now

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                      • #12
                        haha great, just 1 thing, 2 holes are for the inputs and 1 are for the output

                        I will be using 2 inputs to lessen the suction, so fish do not get sucked in (Madison gave me the idea)

                        other than that the drawing looks great! the holes are right where i want them also!

                        thanks again!

                        Oh yeah so how big should i make the overflows? and how deep for th teeth?

                        and can i use silcone aroudn the bulkheads for an extra protection?

                        thanks!

                        Nick
                        275 Gallon Envision Acrylics Tank, 70 gallon sump, BK 300 internal, Zeovit, 5 sequence darts (1 on a oceansmotions 4-way), medusa dual controller, 2 ebo jaer 250w heaters, 1/2 hp JBJ comercial chiller, 4 RO IIIs w/14k hamilitons, 4 VHOs super actinic, deltec pf500 Ca Rx, 3 reef ceramic pillar, and 1 reef ceramic mini-reef, 5 ceramic closed loop intake screen covers, with 50ish pounds of LR

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                        • #13
                          Hey guys well i spoke w/ James today. What a great guy!

                          Edward- i was wondering if you could fix the drawing for me it would take 2 seconds maybe, that way i can send it to James.

                          All i need to for 4 holes in the bottom now i have changed plans after talking with him.

                          all i need is 1 hole under each cutout on the top.

                          Then if you could take away the drain and return holes for the overflow. i do not need them anymore, he is making an external overflow for me and he doesnt need a diagram for that.

                          so all i need are 4 holes, 1 under each opening,

                          then i need just 3 holes in the back glass

                          and one more hole in the bottom, right in the smack dab middle of the tank alittle off the back of the tank.

                          so all together 3 holes in the back, and then 5 holes in the bottom, 1 under each cutout and then one in the middle back.

                          the hole in the middle back will be a 2" bulkhead and the holes in the back wall will be a 1.5" bulkhead,

                          then the hole in the front right will be a 1.5" bulkhead, the front left will be a 2" bulkhead (this is if you are looking at the tank from the front).

                          then the hole in the back right (the one behind the 1.5") on will be a a 2" bulkhead and finally the one in the back left (the one behind the 2" one) will be a 1.5" bulklhead.

                          i would really appreciate the help, it would save me alot of time and alot of hassle.

                          anyway thanks again Edward!

                          Nick
                          275 Gallon Envision Acrylics Tank, 70 gallon sump, BK 300 internal, Zeovit, 5 sequence darts (1 on a oceansmotions 4-way), medusa dual controller, 2 ebo jaer 250w heaters, 1/2 hp JBJ comercial chiller, 4 RO IIIs w/14k hamilitons, 4 VHOs super actinic, deltec pf500 Ca Rx, 3 reef ceramic pillar, and 1 reef ceramic mini-reef, 5 ceramic closed loop intake screen covers, with 50ish pounds of LR

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                          • #14
                            No problem. I will do that tomorrow once I get in front of a computer with Visio installed on it.

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                            • #15
                              Hey great, you dont know how much i appreciate this! it really helps me out!

                              if you have any questions just post here.

                              thanks again!

                              Nick
                              275 Gallon Envision Acrylics Tank, 70 gallon sump, BK 300 internal, Zeovit, 5 sequence darts (1 on a oceansmotions 4-way), medusa dual controller, 2 ebo jaer 250w heaters, 1/2 hp JBJ comercial chiller, 4 RO IIIs w/14k hamilitons, 4 VHOs super actinic, deltec pf500 Ca Rx, 3 reef ceramic pillar, and 1 reef ceramic mini-reef, 5 ceramic closed loop intake screen covers, with 50ish pounds of LR

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